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  1. Which context is that? There's zip to support that assumption. That'due south a false analogy and there's no irony on Yoda's office. Information technology's definitely non as there's cipher to support that statement either.
  2. Alexrd

    The Jedi are a religious gild. One which adopts celibacy with no attachments except to the force's guidance and the order's will. That is the context.

    If it is such a false analogy to perceive and then why did Lucas choose for Jedi to be mainly male, to exist celibate and to dress like monks? If it were not the case, Yoda and Obi Wan would exist able to effort and get through to Anakin, "Wait. Nosotros know what you're going through. We've been there. It's not easy, we know. But trust us, you'll larn in time that information technology is the best way, for yourselves and for your duties." etc. Instead of just "You must".

    When a mentor tells y'all that you must train yourself, and is speaking without having whatever existent understanding of how Anakin feels nigh his mother, and Padme, then from Anakin's point of view at least it follows that Yoda is dictating. It's for this reason that Sidious is able to insinuate the order's "dogma" and Anakin is receptive to this assessment.

    That's all likewise the point. Yoda tells Anakin that he must train himself to let go. There is no offer of guidance, personal feel or wisdom . Just the exclamation of what he must do accompanied with the mantra of loss-fear-acrimony-hatred. There is no indication of Yoda or the guild providing grooming for this, as yous've falsely assumed. This is demonstrated in Yoda''southward explicit words, that he is on his own.

  3. I'm sure Jedi masters teach their members HOW to practice that during their grooming. Anakin has been a Jedi for xiii years by that point so him having no clue how to do information technology doesn't make a lot of sense. Anakin clearly wanted Yoda to tell him what he wanted to hear: the way to stop people he loves from dying which is against what the Jedi are teaching.
  4. It'due south not up to them to "get through" Anakin. Anakin asked for counsel and they gave him the correct one. Which was not just "yous must". Watch the scene once more. Incorrect again. What's your source for Yoda non understanding Anakin's feelings? And what mother or Padmé? Anakin didn't bother telling him, did he? Nonetheless, whoever he has feelings for and is afraid to lose is irrelevant. Information technology doesn't matter who. A Jedi should accept death as part of life and must learn to let become of zipper and greed. Y'all know, a path to the dark side. Anakin is receptive to what he wants intead of what he should practice. Sidious just fed his greed and selfishness. Dogma has nothing to practice with information technology. Seriously? No offer of guidance or wisdom?! Do I demand to mail the whole dialogue of that scene? Because the moving picture refutes that statement. It's non a mantra. It'due south cognition and wisdom. Incorrect once more. Anakin is a Jedi Knight. Not a youngling or a padawan. Equally a Jedi Knight, he received the advisable training to know what to do to let go of his fears. Anakin doesn't inquire how, he but asked what. The how he knows from grooming.
  5. I never said it was up to them. Just pointing out that not fully agreement and appreciating or relating to Anakin's predicament in whatsoever personal way, and trotting out the same, that leads to the dark side, warning and telling him railroad train himself. If they had, then mayhap things would accept been unlike. Obi Wan acknowledges this, too late in the 24-hour interval, when he admits to failing Anakin. He didn't fail in the eyes of the Jedi doctrine. He and Yoda followed information technology to the letter of the alphabet. So he's clearly talking about personally declining him.

    Anakin is not greedy and selfish He's even referred to as selfless, thinking only of others. He's agape to lose what he has to certain decease, as he sees it. He becomes convinced that possessions of greater power tin can ensure that others do non die. Bu, as foretold, the pursuit of power becomes the stop itself, and the ones he sought to protect actually become casualties of that pursuit. Particularly if they practice not endorse his desire for or methods to reach that power.

    Dogma certainly has a lot to practice with it. Otherwise Sidious would not be able to explicitly invoke it every bit that which preserves the Jedi order's control over its members and the galaxy order they serve.

    Mantra and cognition/wisdom are distinct and split up, but non exclusive concepts.

    Anakin : What must I practise? (Almost his premonitions of Padme's decease)

    Yoda : Railroad train yourself to allow go of everything you fear to lose

    Yoda warns Anakin of the path to suffering. Something he's said many times in many contexts. And he offers a positive perspective on the fates of ones we've lost. This is clearly inadequate in light of the traumatic premonitions that Anakin is experiencing. And in hindsight, information technology possibly undermined Anakin's religion in Yoda's didactics. Remember that Anakin did non receive his initial training with Yoda, like other Jedi did.

    Yoda does not even attempt to assuage his fright of what he sees in his premonition. Doesn't try to tell him it might not happen. He more or less allows Anakin to believe that his premoniton of Padme'due south death will be fulfilled as he sees information technology. Only railroad train yourself not to exist afraid of it happening, Because information technology will happen.

    Sidious on the other manus confirms Anakin's fears and tells him what he must do to preclude what he forsees from certainly happening.

    If he knows how to train himself, and been trained in how to train himself in how to let go of things he'south afraid to lose (this is the explicit event hither, not letting go of fear itself. But letting go of the bodily things he'due south afraid to lose) then why would he need to ask Yoda that question at all?

    He'southward almost at master level and he's nonetheless asking what he should do if he'southward afraid of something. It should have been obvious to Yoda that in that location is something seriously wrong if Anakin cannot run into for himself that whatsoever training he's received to let go of fear, ane of the fundamental lessons a Jedi at the almost basic level learns, is what'southward required to overcome said fearfulness. What Anakin is actually request is not how to deal with the fright, just how to prevent the thing that he fears from happening in the first place, i.east. death. But Yoda does non recognise this and but states that which Anakin should already know and be practicing every day of his Jedi life.

  6. You lot unsaid they were at fault for that. That's your baseless assumption. ?! Obi-Wan acknowledges naught. He expressed failure like any parent expresses failure over the bad deeds of their adult offsprings. We, the audience, know that it wasn't his failure. What Jedi doctrine? He didn't fail, flow. Nosotros saw what happened and why. As any Jedi should. Seriously?! Yes, he is. Are you lot really challenge the contrary of what the movies nowadays? Every bit a kid, he'due south selfless. As a teen and adult, he'southward non. No, information technology has zip to practise with it. And what control over the galaxy? Yoda all the same expresses the latter. Why? How is it inadequate? Inadequate is to seek unnatural means to feed your greed and disability to let go. Which is what Anakin did. No, but he still received training and was able to become a Jedi Knight. Why should he? He needs to let go of his fear and attachments, not exist pandered. Yes, the whole betoken is that he needs to accept the possibility and face his fear instead of living in fright of what might or might not happen. He didn't say that. Which is the opposite of the right thing to do. Because he's having premonitions. He'south questioning what he should do/bargain with a vision of a future. Expiry is a natural part of life. Yeah, he does. Seriously, get lookout man the movie earlier typing more groundless accusations/arguments. Information technology'south just getting ho-hum.
  7. The Jedi are non celibate. They can have sex, they but cannot get married and start families. There's quite a number of female Jedi in the PT era. Adi Gallia, Stass Allie, Barriss Offee, Depa Billaba, Jocasta Nu, Ahsoka Tano, Luminara Undili, Butlar Swan, Aayla Secura, Shaak Ti, Yaddle, etc. Everything else is essentially what Yoda told him. Obi-wan taught Anakin all this. None of it matters. What matters to Anakin is power. Platitudes will no longer suffice.
    Yoda has been there. As has Obi-wan. As has every Jedi before and after him. Function of Jedi training is to train yourself to permit go of their attachments and to banish fear, acrimony and hate from their hearts. It is Jedi training 101. Because the question he is asking is, "Is it possible to stop someone from dying?" Remember, after Shmi died, he swore that he would never let that happen again. That he would get all powerful and learn how to stop people from dying. He says it to Padme and he says it to Shmi's grave. So when he sees Padme dying, he makes a betoken to get to Yoda on what to practise. He is hoping that Yoda volition teach him how to do that. To practice what Palpatine claims Darth Plagueis did. When Yoda doesn't say that there is an ancient Force technique, that's when he starts to believe Palpatine's lies about the Jedi Council withholding knowledge from him. Anakin goes to him for advice because he has not truly mastered himself and his emotions. He has non confronted himself. He has not really taken his Jedi trial.

    You must remember, Anakin'south a powerful Jedi. He has been conditioned by Palpatine to believe that he's very powerful and he believes that because of his power, he should exist able to utilise the Force to achieve his ain ends.

  8. @Martoto77- What'south at that place to not sympathise? Yoda's advice was solid; expiry is a part of life and yous should acccept it and motility on. Domicile on it is not good for you. Eventually you lot accept to acquire how to move on As I stated before, Anakin wanted to hear Yoda say, "Yes, nosotros know how to employ the Force unnaturally to prolong life and this is how..." Because he'southward unable and unwilling to accept that people volition die. Even if Padmé never died in childbirth, guess what? She'll nevertheless die. Whether information technology exist old age or some infinite illness, she'll notwithstanding die. Then will Anakin, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Yoda, and every single sentient being in the galaxy. The only characters in the Star Wars universe that WON'T die are droids such equally R2 and C-3PO barring whatsoever freak accidents. Yes, that means they'll outlive Luke Skywalker, Rey, any of Rey's children or children's children. Rey'due south great-great-great-great grandchild will exist filing her retirement pension and R2 and C-3PO will however be around.

    Death is a part of life, nosotros tin't practise anything most it. The people we know and care virtually WILL dice one mean solar day. Accept information technology and movement on. Yes, of course, you can be deplorable when they're gone, but torturing yourself by reminding yourself that this person is dead is not helping.

    Look, I lost my cat terminal week. For the past 13 years she was a constant companion to me -- ever nestling on my lap or sleeping on the bed at nighttime. She died -- and just a few days after my birthday no less!! It was sad, it sucked majorly, merely I had to movement on. Why? Because habitation on it is unhealthy. I've got a life to live, and I don't want to be 82 and on my deathbed going, "At to the lowest degree I spent my entire life upwards to this point mourning over a cat I lost manner back when I was 28 years old!"

    Have that people die, and when they do, rejoice in the good times you've had with them.

  9. I think Yoda's advice was solid . . . simply his delivery was atrocious, because it was inaccessible to Anakin at that point in time. In an ideal Galaxy he would have been able to take that communication to center, only every bit information technology was he had a very nasty case of Unresolved Issues over his mother's expiry. I would exist surprised if Yoda hadn't sensed that.
  10. What's he's saying gave me a very Buddhist vibe of attachment and pain. Yoda is telling Anakin that yep his attachment is the cause of his distress. Beingness equally he is Anakin can't have that.
  11. ^i wish it had been more clear that anakin understands this and refuses information technology rather than what it looked like, which was that he didn't even empathise it. made me question what they've been education him all this time.
  12. No he clearly understood what Yoda was proverb that only further alienated him from the Jedi.
  13. Information technology'due south articulate that Anakin understood, because it is still weighing on his mind when Palpatine brings upwards Darth Plagueis. He only brings information technology up considering he tin can sense Anakin'south thoughts are dwelling on Padme and he can sense what is wrong, thus he uses his Master equally bait.
  14. Yoda was saving his boyfriend comrades because he was granted the chance to . He could accept followed dooku on his ship and permit his friends be crushed just if he did so, it would have been suicidal. Clones were gunning at Dooku ship and if the commonwealth saw if in fourth dimension they would try an shoot The send down. So the obvious selection is to rescue ii of your fellow jedi
  15. The gist of what Yoda is maxim has merit, but the phrasing is just admittedly terrible. He's right that somewhen, everyone needs to learn how to let go and move on with their lives in the wake of a tragedy, but mourning is a perfectly natural and healthy role of the healing procedure. In fact, not mourning properly is actually pretty unhealthy and tin can lead to major issues afterward on.

    I remember I once caught office of a Star Wars: The Clone Wars episode my son was watching. In that location was a scene where Anakin Skywalker was talking with a Jedi Master almost loss (I believe they were talking about their apprentices), and the Principal said (paraphrasing), "If my amateur dies, I will mourn her and I volition miss her…but I'll also remember the good times and somewhen come to accept information technology." To me, that was a much better mode of conveying that message.

  16. I can understand how Yoda would seem hypocritical, simply here'southward why I think he isn't.

    Every bit others accept established, the Jedi going to a system exterior of their legal limits to rescue only one slave would not brand sense or exist fair to the others in captivity. Whether the Jedi should be able to serve outside the republic is up to debate, only they can't gamble committing what the Hutts may perceive equally an deed of war. Shmi's life wasn't in immediate danger equally far as Yoda, Anakin or the Jedi knew.
    Yoda wasn't playing favorites when he rescued Anakin and Obi Wan rather than capture Dooku. Their lives were in danger, and a Jedi must put that before personal conquest. Padme's life wasn't in danger either, when Anakin talked with him nearly it.

  17. But the whole point of the mourning procedure is to eventually get to the signal that Yoda is talking almost, where you take that someone has passed on and motion on with your life. The truth is, while you lot may e'er miss someone who passed abroad, information technology is essential for y'all to learn how to at least miss them less if you desire to take whatsoever hope of living happily. And that'south what happens. Y'all do miss them less. You don't forget them, merely y'all also don't constantly dwell on the fact that they're not still here.

    Anakin is a Jedi Knight. He's been one for over a decade, and he's been thoroughly versed on what it means to be a Jedi. It's a hard life, non an easy 1. He'southward at a bespeak where he should exist able to accept what Yoda is proverb, without whatever meaningless qualifiers or actress coddling.

    The Jedi clearly have a mourning process, or at least a process for marking and giving meaning to the loss of a companion. We meet them perform funerals. What Yoda is expressing to Anakin is the Jedi ideal of shedding all worldly attachments and thus eliminating the root cause of suffering. It's not something any of the Jedi have achieved (salve for Qui-Gon, and somewhen Yoda and Obi-Wan) but it's something they all aspire to. It's not a bad ideal.

    Merely it's the fundamental concept of accepting death every bit a natural part of life which Anakin has a problem with, non Yoda'due south specific diction. Anakin is intelligent enough to understand what Yoda is really saying and how he ways it. He merely isn't mature enough to accept the wisdom of his words.

  18. The movies and characters are at times inconsistent but in Sith Yoda seemed to exist talking nearly accepting decease from natural causes, which is ultimately unavoidable, and then when he says attachment he may really mean excessive, unreasonable attachment. The Jedi are more attached to their guild and fellow members than to other people, that'southward an understandable bias.
    From the movies it seems that it'south pretty difficult and controversial to deed or collaborate much outside the Republic, with non-Republic citizens tending to non accept Republic credits and there not being easy ways to transfer currencies. Plus the Jedi wouldn't really want to help her because that would be showing her favoritism over all the other slaves.
    Anakin expected he would be able to free her, in part why he wanted to become a Jedi, simply was wrong and wasn't allowed to.
  19. Yes, it's important to remember that when Anakin goes to Yoda, he'due south just having bad dreams about someone close to him dying from unspecified causes. They're visions of death brought most by feet, and they plow out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, proving the wisdom of Yoda's counsel.
  20. The ROTS novelization paints a very unproblematic view of Anakin's zipper bug. He fears death. When he is out there as a Jedi, he fears it less. Just deep downwards, when he is by himself, it starts to bother him. This is what drives him. The fear of death.
  21. I hold that that's the terminate point of the mourning procedure. But it's a procedure that takes time and endeavor beyond "Mourn them not. Miss them not." And information technology's certainly not healthy to dwell on it constantly.

    Nevertheless, I'd argue that that pain is a part of life that tin't exist avoided. You lot can cope with it and you can bargain with it, but y'all can't just ignore it, which is basically what Yoda seems to be saying. The fact is that both Anakin and Yoda basically are trying to figure out means to just make the pain become away without properly dealing with it. That'south why I brought up the episode of the TV show. The Jedi Master acknowledges that at that place's a process and that it will hurt, simply that she'll discover a way to bargain with it.

    To me, Anakin's problem isn't so much that he doesn't wanna lose his wife, which is a natural human reaction. It'due south that he's willing to do anything to preclude that from happening, no matter how many atrocities he has to commit. The tragedy is that he eventually goes so far down the hole that he ends upwards losing sight of his original goal. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all.

  22. Yoda isn't maxim ignore hurting. He's telling Anakin that he must train himself to allow go of his fears. Otherwise the more he dwells on his fears, the more it will bring him suffering. What was brought up in TCW is the aforementioned thing as what Yoda says.
  23. It'due south been a while since I saw that scene (do you know the episode I'grand talking almost?), but I distinctly remember the Jedi Chief basically maxim that she would mourn her apprentice as part of the healing procedure, whereas Yoda is explicitly telling Anakin not to mourn.
  24. Yes, I do. It was from "Weapons Factory", when Luminara is talking to Anakin well-nigh Ahsoka and Barriss existence buried alive.

    LUMINARA: "If my Padawan has perished, I will mourn her, but I will celebrate her too through her retentivity."

    ANAKIN: "I still plan on jubilant this victory with my Padawan in person."

    ANAKIN: "I knew they were still live. I told you non to give up on them."

    LUMINARA: "It'southward not that I gave upwardly, Skywalker, but unlike you, when the time comes, I am prepared to let my student go. Can you say the aforementioned?"

    He never answers her. Also, at that place was this in "Jedi Crash" betwixt Aayla and Ahsoka.

    AAYLA: "I tin withal sense your worry for Anakin, your attachment to him."

    AHOSKA: "Information technology'south but I get so confused sometimes. It's forbidden for Jedi to grade attachments, still nosotros are supposed to exist compassionate."

    AAYLA: "It is nada to exist ashamed of, Ahsoka. I went through the same procedure when I was your age with my ain Chief."

    AHSOKA: "Actually? Y'all?"

    AAYLA: "He was like a male parent to me. I realized that for the greater good, I had to allow him go. Don't lose a grand lives just to save 1."

    AHSOKA: "Maybe. Simply that doesn't hateful that I can't endeavour to save his life."

    AHSOKA: "You were correct all forth, Master Secura."

    AAYLA: "About what?"

    AHSOKA: "If I had stayed with Anakin, we probably wouldn't have establish this village in time to relieve him."

    This is what it comes down to; a Jedi must be willing to permit become of their loved ones and not alive their life in fright. To let fright dictate their actions. Yoda tells Anakin non to mourn, he's referring to the fact that Anakin is letting his feelings go far the way. He's referring to his living in fear over being alone and losing his loved ane. He'due south already got Padme dead and buried, when she is healthy and hale.

  25. The whole scene is pretty odd-Anakin asks most something that seems to clearly violate Jedi priorities if non tenets, and so Yoda responds by pointing out that it's not in line with the tenets and the key to his trouble is to not consider it a trouble and instead follow the tenets. Information technology feels like Anakin and Yoda both call back of Anakin equally a newcomer. I suppose it's possible that Obi-Wan didn't do much explaining of the Jedi philosophy.

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